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"Wheelerguy" (wheelerguy) 05/06/2015 at 03:03 • Filed to: None

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There was this. THERE WAS THIS!!! !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! !!! Where have you been all my life? (In Europe, apparently.).

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Any more of this stuff? Like, some competition?

m2m, apex detective > Wheelerguy 05/06/2015 at 03:08

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People everywhere be like ...

Svend > Wheelerguy 05/06/2015 at 03:22

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Not forgetting the old Ford Mondeo estate 2.2TDCi SIV ST

Old now though. This one registered around august 2005.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Wheelerguy 05/06/2015 at 03:34

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Now if only it was RWD and brown. Then it would be perfect

Wheelerguy > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 05/06/2015 at 03:54

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You bet’cha, matey.

NavyMercedes > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 05/06/2015 at 03:57

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This is one of many cars I would kill for - IF it was RWD.

SlickMcRick > Wheelerguy 05/06/2015 at 04:43

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Also over across the great ocean it costs the same as the regular ST. So it’s more of a pick your poison type deal.

TheOnelectronic > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 05/06/2015 at 05:07

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Put it in reverse, 50% there.

Conan > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 05/06/2015 at 05:08

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I’d settle for brown and AWD.

BATC42 > Wheelerguy 05/06/2015 at 05:17

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Peugeot offers the 308 GT SW that you can have either with the THP 205hp petrol engine, or with an HDI engine with 180hp. The HDI is only available with their new semi-automatic gearbox though. The petrol on the other hand is only available with the manual.

And Renault had a limited run of the Mégane Estate in GT trim that came with chassis-bits from the RS, as well as a 220hp four-banger. And I think they made a GT-line trim which was available with a diesel.

Also, Volvo offers the V60 with a 190hp diesel that comes with a 6-speed manual or their 8-speed geartronic gearbox. And they also have the D5, only available with the 8-speed automatic, but 225hp. And you can get both in R-Line trim.

VW has the Golf Sportwagen GTD. That means bits and bobs from the GTI, but a 184hp TDI engine. 6-speed manual or DSG.

And seat has the Golf’s cousin with the Leon ST FR, either in petrol or diesel.

Wheelerguy > BATC42 05/06/2015 at 05:25

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And I’ll have none of it, largely because none of these cars will ever step on Philippine soil. Darn.

Alex87f > Wheelerguy 05/06/2015 at 07:08

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Then again, how many americans would be willing to pay $1,000 more (which would amount to about $26,500) to have 70 less hp, barely more torque, and a car that’s slower than an FR-S or a Miata, both of which are often called out for their lack of performance.

With american gas & diesel prices, such a car makes no sense, unless you’re driving 50 000 miles a year or so.

Alex87f > Svend 05/06/2015 at 07:10

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That was nothing more than a 2.2 diesel with an ST bodykit, was it?

Alex87f > SlickMcRick 05/06/2015 at 07:12

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Not sure what countries you looked at? It’s 750€ more expensive in Belgium and 1,500€ more expensive in France?

SlickMcRick > Alex87f 05/06/2015 at 08:32

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Well I was going off the press release pricing back in January. Silly me. I stand corrected thanks for clearing that up.

Party-vi > Wheelerguy 05/06/2015 at 09:16

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For the life of me I can’t understand why anyone would want a car with less horsepower and slower performance at an increased cost.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Party-vi 05/06/2015 at 09:30

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Fuel economy.

Party-vi > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 05/06/2015 at 09:40

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Oh totes because when I buy a performance car the top of my list is fuel economy.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Party-vi 05/06/2015 at 09:43

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If you didn’t live in the US, it would be. Some places gas can cost more than triple what it is us north America. It becomes a huge cost to run the car.

Party-vi > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 05/06/2015 at 10:34

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What’s the comparative cost of gas vs. diesel in places where they don’t subsidize big SUVs?

m2m, apex detective > Wheelerguy 05/06/2015 at 10:46

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Since you asked about possible competition ... what about the Skoda Octavia (v)RS TDI?

Not available for the U.S. market either, this Octavia also comes with a 2.0-litre 4-cyl. Diesel with an identical 184 PS. The Octavia RS normaly rocky a 2.0T gasoline engine with a few more horses, so this is very much the same idea Ford pursued with the Focus: build on an existing enthusiast model and simply put in another engine while the rest stays largely the same.

Numbers!

4-cylinder Diesel, 1,986 cm³

135 KW / 184 PS

380 Nm @ 1,750 rpm

6-speed DSG ‘box (possibly 6MT, too)

228 kph top speed

1,502 kg curb weight

The RS TDI might just be the most specific competitor to the Focus in the European market. Slots below the faster Golf wagons (still getting used to the idea that there’s a Golf R Variant now).

One thing, though: the claimed 0-60 (or rather 0-100kph) time seems awfully slow with 8.3s ... though that might just be down to the transmission being extra-careful.

Imagery nicked from the internet .

Camshaft Chris: Skyline/McLaren/Porsche Fanboy > Party-vi 05/06/2015 at 10:47

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Diesel means more torque.

Party-vi > Camshaft Chris: Skyline/McLaren/Porsche Fanboy 05/06/2015 at 10:49

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Cool so what do you do with the other 4,000rpms you can’t use?

m2m, apex detective > m2m, apex detective 05/06/2015 at 11:06

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I ran off to grab a coffee and came back to find that I can no longer edit the post.

No hiding typos today, I guess. :-/

Sorry btw for automatically assuming you were in the U.S. market ... that’s usually the case when people rant about the lack of wagons.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Party-vi 05/06/2015 at 11:20

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It’s usually around the same, but diesels use less.

Party-vi > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 05/06/2015 at 11:21

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But that means you have to drive a soul-sucking tractor. I chose gas or death!

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Party-vi 05/06/2015 at 11:24

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Go drive a new diesel, they’re not bad like they used to be.

Party-vi > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 05/06/2015 at 11:25

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I have - a 328d. Might as well have said Caterpillar on the side of it. Rattled at stop lights, ran out of pep after 4k rpm, etc. But yes, for fuel mileage figures it was simply astounding.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Party-vi 05/06/2015 at 11:31

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I guess gasoline is what you want then. Maybe try a pickup like the Ram 2500 with a 6.7 diesel. Those have a lot of power.

Svend > Alex87f 05/06/2015 at 12:17

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I don’t know much about what was done with the TDCi ST other than it was quite popular at one point and I still occasionally see one from time to time.

Coty > Wheelerguy 05/08/2015 at 08:14

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“WITH A MANUAL”

Like you can get them any other way.

Coty > Camshaft Chris: Skyline/McLaren/Porsche Fanboy 05/08/2015 at 08:18

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Only 25 more in the ST than the gas version, with a loss of 70 horsepower.

Nah.